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MVix Ultio part 2 – It’s great, but not quite as advertised… (English)

July 16th, 2009 Posted in gadgets, service
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MvixUltio_no_wifiThe short answer is that it works great, but the slightly longer answer is that not everything works as advertised and the unit is not for everyone (the image above might give a “subtle” clue to what doesn’t work…).

First of all, mad props to my newfound friends at Thinkgeek.com. They delivered the box in just 2 days (t-w-o!!!!) from US to Denmark. Incredibly fast I have to say! It doesn’t get more efficient than that. And the fact that the package didn’t get held up in customs (with would have added additional charges) only makes it that much better!.

The MVix Ultio box itself  seems a little flimsily built. It’s basically a motherboard with a casing. When I took the motherboard out of the enclosure I felt like I could easily break/bend/ruin something on it. The internal hard drive was, however, fairly easy to install and setup the – not for non-geeks, but easily as easy as installing a hard drive on a regular computer and the user manual instructions  on who to format and setup the drive on the unit were quite good.

Now the review to follow gets a little ugly at the end, so please read it all and stop while I barf gall over the post, because the bottom line is that the MVix Ultio is pretty good overall, but it’s clear from using it that it was made by engineers who didn’t come form Apple. Judging from the Ultio’s operation and features, they bear more resemblance to Microsoft mentality (more features is better. A dazzling user experience is notas primary a concern as Apple). It could also be the unit is mainly targeted at enthusiasts who can live without the sazz and final touches (and maybe I don’t quite fall into that category anymore?!). Read on and I will epxlain in detail.

The good: What works great

Luckily the main feature of the MVix Ultio work great – watching videos.
The remote, box and video, including subtitles, interacts, responds, displays and plays beautifully (when all setup correctly and the movie has started). You gotta give it that. Very nice! I can’t stress this enough how important this is. That the remote starts, increase/decrease volume, shows/hides subtitles instantly you don’t have to point the remote directly at the MVix Ultio, is a real real pleasure. It’s something you usually take for granted, but not all implementations are as good as this one! the operation and speed of shifting through menus etc. is in sharp contrast to the crappy performance of my previous YouSee cable PVR (a samsung unit) that I wrote about a while back

MVix is very silent. It gets relatively warm to the touch when operating, yes, but since I’m not gonna be touching it while watching movies on it, what do I care?! There is no active cooling in the unit either, but if it doesn’t need it, hooray! Let’s hope the crafty guys at MVix got good grades in math and physics so their calculations on head emissions are correct. So far the unit has completed its first Le Mans (24 hours straight) with no hickups (yes, I forgot to turn it off one night…).

Also great is that it’s been able to handle every codec I have thrown at it – even a video I couldn’t get to work on my PC! That we like long time!! The Ultio has another really cool feature in that it it can play ISO images. This is cool as I can make ISO images of all my DVDs and have the Ultio run them, including the menu structure and all the other features. Of course to complete my collection on the Ultio that I would have to seriously upgrade the storage capacity in the unit – currently I have a 200GB drive in the Ultio, but I could switch that to a larger drive. I saw that 1.5TB  (1.500GB)  drives can be acquired for as little as $130 some places at time of writing and that price is only going one way.

Finally, least but certainly not least. The customer service of MVixUSA has, throughout my dealings with them been absolutely fabulous. Open, honest and very responsive are three words that are very saying about my experiences with the company so far. So a big thanks and mad love should also go out/be sent to Marcus Sattler, Mark H., Cherize and Mark (could be the same Mark, but with the amount of answers he has provided I don’t mind mentioning him twice). If for nothing else I definitely give a “would buy again, A+++” rating with MVixUSA as a company (and the thinkgeek.com ordering experience didn’t hurt either). Great committed staff who seem so to want to help. Now if only they would also fix what is about to come in the rest of this post I wouldn’t be able to complain.

The bad: Could be better and lead to a better experience

MVix is advertising the possibility of “Managing all file operations  via the remote”, but I find this feature not worth mentioning. Yes it can be done, but you have to be a very patient person to do it. Copying large amounts of data from a USB stick to the HDD is very cumbersome and it is much more convenient to just take the unit, wack in a USB cable and connect it to a computer and transfer from there. This especially, as the MVix Ultio  GUI is basically a graphically souped up  command line prompt. It works, but structuring all the data (creating folders, sub folders, etc.) on  MVix Ultio is apparently the job of the user, not the unit :(

Commodore64The GUI (Graphical User Interface) brings back (fond) memories of Commodore C64 and the Death Knights of Krynn series in that the GUI is not very impressive. It is somewhat helped when setting the input/output to “HDMI Autodetect”, but it is still a very very basic GUI. Where’s the XBMC or Boxee like slick GUI that makes you want to just browse through the menu system instead of watching a movie? I mention the WD TV later in this post, be be rest assured its GUI is pretty much as basic the Ultio’s – maybe a little nicer.

Also something I find weird is how subtitles are handled. It’s not described anywhere either. Luckily it does work by having the subtitle file (I used a .srt file to test) in the same folder as the movie being watched and having the exact same name as the video file (just with a different extension, so .srt instead of .avi). A side note, get your subtitles at e.g. opensubtitles.org

A feature I would like to see when/if the GUI matures out of what it is today, is integration with e.g. imdb (or similar service) to pull down information such as title, dvd image and lots of metadata, synopsis, plot etc. It’s that kind of polish that isn’t there presently in the box.

I would also have liked that the unit could be wall mounted easily, or that a solution would be provided to drill it to the wall (like holes in the unit, screws and rawlplugs), which I still intend to do, but it would have been nicer

The ugly: What bugs me

Advertised as having USB wifi, when in fact is doesn’t at all currently. I’ve wasted $40 on MVix dongle which they are even telling me might not get to work (but they aren’t excluding it either). So I’m stuck having to either use a f***ing long ethernet cable accross my living room or move and setup my extra aiport express (my main router is an airport extreme)’ to get the ultio wired to something. Either option is not optimal because one would be incredibly ugly (cable) and the other would require me moving an airport express unit which would mean I could no longer have it hooked up to my Apple Hifi speakers, which again would stop me from being able to listen to music on good speakers. Rats!!!

The big “grrrr” is, however, really about the fact that I can’t use in its current form for downloading torrents (e.g. the quality TED talks) or stream video files stored on my NAS storage unit or from one of the many other computers I have in the house that are UPnP enabled. This is especially annoying as I did buy the Ultio over the WD TV due to those features (well, and the internal HD – which works and is awesome!)

What’s the verdict?

Well, I bought the unit insterad of the WD TV because of its extensive codec support (admittedly the WD TV offers pretty much the same support in that regard), it’s internal drive, it’s included bittorrent client, it’s support for UPnP devices/apps and (very importantly), because it advertised wifi support on the specifications page.

So right now I can conclude that the codec support was no lie (and is implemented nicely), internal drive is also a check. But the “dealbreakers” that made be buy the unit instead of the alternative I can’t use or test because wifi is NOT currently supported on the unit. So I can’t check how and if these services work and how well (e.g. can you setup the bittorrent client to use a specific port that I have open on the router or not? how well doe sthe UPnP service work?). Hopefully the firmware will be updated soon and unit is made compatible with my MVix wifi dongle (or MVix will send me a new one that works…).

So I’ll give it 3/5 stars for now and it will definitely get 4/5 when the wifi starts working. The question is of course whether the implementation when it works is good enough for the full 5/5 rating. If you don’t need the wifi, but are able to plugin the the MVix Ultio in to a wired connection I am sure it is already working wonderfully and deserves 4/5 stars easily.

I remain hesitantly hopeful my issue(s) will be resolved over the summer period.

You might also be interested in reading:

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  1. 18 Responses to “MVix Ultio part 2 – It’s great, but not quite as advertised… (English)”

  2. By brambone on Jul 17, 2009

    Just go out a buy ANY Wireless Adapter which is built on the Realtek RTL8187b chipset.

    This is a Wireless-G adapter only

    I got one and Mvix Ultio works flawlessly – wirelessly.

    As per MvixUSA reps, they are awaiting the wireless-N chipset from Realtek for the USB-Adapter.

    But if you just want wireless-G… tons of brands are already available in the market.

  3. By music_gaga on Jul 17, 2009

    I just got my Ultio package and enjoying it day by day. It took me around 6 minutes to complete the set up and configurations. It’s samba server with UPnP works amazingly for me. No found problem with the playbacks and the MKV works flawlessly as I wanted.:)

  4. By Andreas on Jul 17, 2009

    It’s “XBMC” or “XBMC Media Center” (not XMBC)

  5. By barelyadraft on Jul 17, 2009

    brambone , I can’t seem to find any information on which dongles have the chipset you mention. Do you know if any of the following have the chipset?

    D-Link AirPlus G DWL-G122
    NETGEAR WG111
    TRENDnet TEW 444UB

    Other?

    thanks!

  6. By techgirl on Jul 17, 2009

    I placed a pre-order of Mvix Ultio as soon as they made it public that it is already available. I am very much satisfied with its built-in BitTorrent client that downloads videos faster than my PC. It is now hooked up to my wireless network and plays MKV.

  7. By Daniel on Jul 22, 2009

    As you know, I bought the WDTV and am very satisfied. I totally understand why you prioritized wifi, and if I had seen the Mvix I might have considered it as well. Somehow bad experience with wireless setups have made me want to stay away from it, so the WDTV was a good solution for me – but wireles IS probably the future. Bittorrent client would have been a huge seller for me as well, so you should find an adapter that works. It can’t be that expensive. Actually, there’s a couple of hacks for the WDTV firmware that allows you to use usb wireless as well, though I haven’t had the time, need and/or stomach to try it out. As the huge geek I sometimes am, I have included a lot of thumbnails (YES, manually) so the GUI looks awesome and even Miriam can muster finding a movie. Codecs and subtitles works flawlessly on the WDTV this far but I’m very jealous that yours has full ISO support. The wdtv can only play the moviefiles and not display any menues – hoping they’ll catch that in the next update. But congrats on the player, looking forwards to seeing it in action. Daniel.

  8. By barelyadraft on Jul 22, 2009

    First, Andreas, consider the XBMC misspelling fixed (at least the link was alright from the beginning. Maybe I should start to read through my posts before posting?!)

    Daniel, I have already bought an adapter, waiting for it to be delivered as I write this (not N rated, only G, but should work for most non high-def videos).

    I settled on the Netgear WG111v3 (v2 & v3 have the realtek chipset). I have actually been using a cable across the living room to the unit to test out the UPnP service (and installed TVeristy on all laptops in the house) and it works flawlessly. I can also access by old NAS drive directly that I have hidden in a closet – lovely!

    The bittorrent feature also works flawlessly, but unfortunately you cannot set the port used by the MVix client and as my router (Airport Extreme) does not support UPnP port mapping, so downloads are slow (I’ll get that fixed when I check the router logs on which port is used). MVix support couldn’t provide me with an answer to what port was being used by their own client (weird right?), but are investigating it they told me so maybe they’ll provide me with the answer before I figure it out myself.
    The bittorrent client itself has one big drawback in my book. Adding torrents is cumbersome. It should be so that I could go via the remote webinterface and just add a link where the MVix could download the torrent file, but I have to download the torrent file to my computer and then upload it to the MVix…NOT well thought through, but it works of course and that’s of course great! :P

    But I should come by VERY soon and you should show me the WD TV live

  9. By Zato on Jul 24, 2009

    “techgirl” mentions “…now hooked up to my wireless network…” exactly what N wireless USB device are you using that works? I have D-Link USB DWA-140 with the Ralink rt2870 – the same chipset that is support by the driver set download for the Mvix Nubbin N device on the Mvix site. the DWA-140 doesn’t work on my Ultio (running firmware ver. 1.1) – though the DWA-140 works lightening fast and streams smoothly DVD/full hi-def video when popped into other computers around the house. ideas from anyone appreciated on getting the advertised N speed wireless on the Ultio using my DWA or any other N-speed wireless adapter. thx, Zato

  10. By barelyadraft on Jul 24, 2009

    Zato, you can safely assume that techgirl is a spammer. Researching various blogs and my own website logs, I believe someone has paid some people to write messages such as techgirl & music_gaga’s on blogs around the net to give a positive impression that everything works and is great. One person has even plagiarized some of the text from my post on another blog.

    To answer your question,the MVix nubbin does NOT work on the Ultio currently I have been told by MVixUSA’s support. They cannot guarantee it will work and are in the process of launching an new dongle that works with the Ultio.

    MVisUSA support has said that only 802.11G dongles based on the Realtek RTL8187b works currently. I tried this with the Netgear WG111v3, but it didn’t work on mine (firmware v1.1).

  11. By pmcd on Jul 27, 2009

    There is a fan in the Ultio. At least mine has one. While it’s not that loud, it was loud enough for me to disable it and I used an external fanless USB drive. The Ultio really nice. Thank you for the nice review.

    pmcd

  12. By Really?? on Jul 30, 2009

    If you cannot get the wireless-g adapter work… then its probably something to do with your unit and/or your network.
    I have a wireless-g adapter which has the RTL8187b and it works flawlessly. I bought it from ebay. Its a no-brand – but clearly identifies itself with the realtek chipset.
    Good luck

  13. By satnav4 on Sep 4, 2009

    Well mine arrived dead. It starts on the menu, but the remote operates nothing, and the “up-down” buttons and the power button on the box do nothing. I have sent in a support request.

  14. By satnav4 on Sep 9, 2009

    It gets better: Mivx wants me to pay return shipping for a unit that never worked, and they want to repair it–not replace it. If you want this product, buy from a reputable reseller. Stay clear of Mivx. I have never paid return shipping on a product that arrived defective.

  15. By leek on Sep 9, 2009

    The article is wrong about one thing: The Ultio DOES have active cooling — namely a side fan. It can be noticeable if nothing else is going on. You can unplug the fan to prevent it from running, but then you probably need to use only external hard drives. Some people have been able to craft eSata ports from the internal cable (which is interesting in itself — something like 20 gauge electrical wires for eSata :) .

    The Codec support, while broad, still has gotchas. About 1/3 of my .FLV files do not play (“invalid file” or something). FLV support is the main differentiator among HTPCs and media devices these days. “To Flash or not to Flash? That is the question.”

    I like the Mvix’s ability for you to log in and easily hack with its Linux OS (BTW they removed telnet access in their 1.2 firmware updatae, but this can be reenabled by hacking the samba startup scripts).

    Ultimately, I think I might have to dive in and build my own HTPC. The GMC AVC S7 case plus a Gigabyte GA-E7AUM-DS2H motherboard seems the way to go — an Atom 330 w/ION chipset is compelling on paper, but doesn’t seem to hold up in the most demanding of conditions.

  16. By Sunil on Sep 18, 2009

    Thank you for this detailed review. I was thinking of switching from my HTPC to a simpler box, and this box has been standout on features, but rather conspicuous in the lack of reviews from users.

  17. By Jeff on Dec 2, 2009

    I have the Ultio and the previous model (mx-780HD) and it’s clear that mvix listened to their customers in providing the Ultio. It has everything I need and then some. They removed the built in wi-fi but it makes more sense for them to leave the wi-fi to companies that know it best and concentrate on codecs/networking/etc.

    The author has clearly been “lemming-ized” by Apple. One of the main reasons I’ve stuck with Mvix products is because they are NOT Apple. Open source AND upgrade-able are a technophiles dream and the Ultio does just that. People buy this for its functionality first and interface second. If you want the opposite then buy a piece of fruit. This is NOT aimed at the mass market. Being able to upgrade the software proves this.

    Bottom Line: This unit is meant for the technophile/hacker/enthusiast … don’t expect to find it at the bargin bin at walmart catering to the uneducated masses

  18. By Dave U on Jan 4, 2010

    Thanks for your review / post purchase experience. I have had very similar experiences:
    1. The USB wireless ‘dongle’ / ‘nubbin’ thing is not supported by the Ultio. They have to develop or obtain a driver. They seem to have prioritised driver development for MACOSX but it can’t be a huge leap to the linux driver they need.
    2. I can’t add a torrent through the HTTP interface and the issue has been referred to the devteam. I wonder if its just me.

    The key, it seems to me, is learning how to diagnose / manage the device via telnet which requires some experience. Hopefully a wiki will appear with notes on that. I’m disappointed to find the Mvix community seems fragmented.

    Thanks again for your review and the other helpful comments people have posted.

    Dave in Sydney

  19. By jjdoctor on Jan 29, 2010

    Well u all can see the unboxing video I made..

    I am quite satisfied witht he device… the functions it has is more important that its looks and interface and GUI stuff….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGUY0M80Ass

    i wud rate this product 9/10

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